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Post by ghubbell on May 31, 2004 0:06:36 GMT -5
Can a 5150 be modded to get the Brown Sound? Variac? 90 volts? Bias? Gain? Why is this so elusive? I want this modded sound: www.splawnguitars.com/ssplawnbrown.mp3Thanks for THE MOST TECHNICALLY INFORMATIVE 5150 WEB SITE ON THE PLANET!!!
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Post by Jerry P on Jun 2, 2004 1:15:05 GMT -5
The 5150 can be modded to have a brown sound, but your definition of the brown sound and mine might be different. For a mod like that it would be easier if you were local and I could make some changes and then have you tell me how it sounds. More of this, less of that, and then I could tweak it more. To really dial in a tone like that would take some experimentation and possibly a few adjustments. The 5150 has way more gain than Ed's Marshall did and would require some pretty major surgery to lower it. Lowering voltages with a variac will probably muddy the 5150 up quite a bit. The main reason it's so elusive is because we aren't Eddie and we don't have his hands. The other big part of that is the recording process. Jerry
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Post by ghubbell on Jun 2, 2004 22:38:02 GMT -5
Thanks Jerry, hear you loud and clear! I'd like to offer up a point please. I have been beaten to death with the statement that Ed's playing is the main reason for his 'sound'. When I discuss obtaining his brown sound, I mean nothing of his actual style, but rather everything else, the hardware involved. For you see, if Ed plays an open "d" string and lets me do the same on his gear including his axe, with the same pick, on the same place on the string, with the same pressure, ...etc.etc.etc, it will be exactly the same sound. People do not seem to realize this. Ed is a guitar player, and his style can be accuratly immitated, much easier it seems, than immitating his brown sound. I'm not looking for Ed lessons on playing, just the same signal processing, that's all. On the Peavy site there is a video of Ed playing through a stock 5150 and his brown sound is non-existant. You can tell it's Ed playing, but his trademark brown sound is nowhere. Knowhatimean?
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Post by Jethro on Jun 3, 2004 9:27:50 GMT -5
errrr.... this hubbell fellow, mr. hardware, seems to be frustrated with his brown sound duplication attempts. Might I suggest that desperate pursuit of some one else's talent is feeble and indicative of low self esteem. Drink a beer and relax man........
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Post by ghubbell on Jun 3, 2004 10:11:12 GMT -5
Thanks Jethro (a "friend" of mine), but you're just trying to start trouble. I hope you can refrain from your animalistic urges and allow me to try and learn something from people who know what they're talking about....thanks.
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Post by YaHump on Jun 3, 2004 11:45:31 GMT -5
While you search for the Holy Grail, I too suggest relaxing alittle AxeMan. Stop drinking the Hoochie water and chill.
Baudelaire: “Wine exalts the will; hashish destroys it. Wine is a physical stimulant; hashish a suicidal weapon. Wine mellows us and makes us sociable; hashish isolates us.” Wine is social, drugs solitary; the one inflames the senses, the other rouses the imagination.
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Post by Tom on Jun 16, 2004 12:33:48 GMT -5
Save your money. I have all those "toys" like variacs and they sit on the floor and accumulate dust. From what I've read, seen and learned through my own experimentation, Eddie's sound is mostly due to his fingers, followed closely by OLD GEAR. His '67 plexi ran over 500 volts plate (important) and had old tubes (very important) and was running wide open (probably 7 on that amp). The volume coming from the old cabinet also had a lot to do with it. For the added distortion the signal is played with by putting an old MXR 6-band EQ (or two) between the guitar and amp. He also used sometimes one, sometimes two, sometimes none Echoplexes, and the M117 flanger and Phase 90 (also sometimes). Also bear in mind he was using his Marshall as an effects box, because all this was sent to an old (did I mention old) H&H power amp to just torture the speaker cabinets.
If you want to have some fun without spending all that dough on Echoplexes and old tubes (which will take you to the cleaners anymore) buy an old Marshall from Jerry and have him put an effects loop in it. then buy an old DBX 119 dynamic range compander and play with that. You'll be surprised by what you hear at volumes you can tolerate.
They key is to have fun with it. Torture your sound, don't let it torture you.
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Post by Jerry P on Jun 19, 2004 22:47:55 GMT -5
They key is to have fun with it. Torture your sound, don't let it torture you. Easier said than done! Jerry
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